Interview with Dr. Francis Boyle
February 17, 2020 "Information
Clearing House" - Geopolitics
& Empire is joined by Dr. Francis Boyle, who is
international law professor at the University of
Illinois. We’ll be discussing the
Wuhan coronavirus and biological warfare. He’s
served as counsel to numerous governments such as
Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Palestinian
authority. He’s represented numerous national
international bodies in the areas of human rights,
war crimes and genocide, nuclear policy, and
biowarfare. He’s written numerous books, one of my
favorites being “Destroying Libya and World Order”,
which I assigned as mandatory reading material for
my own students when I taught at the Monterrey
Institute of Technology.
But most important for this interview, he’s
written a book called “Biowarfare and Terrorism”,
and drafted the US domestic implementing legislation
for the biological weapons convention, known as the
Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that
was approved unanimously by both houses of the US
Congress and signed into law by President Bush.
Thanks for joining us, Dr. Boyle.
Francis Boyle: Wow. Thank you so much for
having me on and thanks for that kind introduction.
Geopolitics and Empire: Now
let’s get to what’s been on the news recently. This
coronavirus in Wuhan. There have been some
reports recently, there’s a really interesting
that has been reporting on this. They’ve been
talking about China, which they say has been
complying with biological weapons convention in
But then there are some people in the US and
experts that have been saying that in reality, China
isn’t complying with the weapons convention. And I
think neither, perhaps the US as well. I’m wondering
if China is developing its own biosafety level four
lab in Wuhan and elsewhere, as you know, as a type
of deterrence. Is it a type of a biological arms
race that we have going on?
You told me in an email that you suspect China
was developing the
coronavirus as a dual use of biowarfare weapons
agent. Also, what do you make of reports that
Chinese scientists have been stealing research and
viruses, including the coronavirus from a Canadian
bio lab this past December?
And as well, Chinese nationals have been charged
with smuggling vials of biological research to China
from the US with the aid of Charles Lieber who was
the chair of Harvard’s chemistry department. And he
also happens to be in 2011 a strategic scientist at
Wuhan University. So, can you tell us what’s going
on with this recent outbreak in Wuhan?
Dr. Francis Boyle: Well, that’s
a lot of questions. I guess we can take them one at
a time, but if you just do a very simple Google
search on “Does China have a BSL-4 laboratory?”,
Wuhan comes up right away. It’s at the top of the
list. That’s all with the moment this type of thing
happened I began to do that. So a BSL-4 is the most
serious type. And basically BSL-4 labs, we have many
of them here in the United States, are used to
develop offensive biological warfare weapons with
DNA genetic engineering.
So it does seem to me that the Wuhan
BSL-4 is the source of the coronavirus. My guess is
that they were researching SARS, and they weaponize
it further by giving it a gain of function
properties, which means it could be more lethal.
Indeed, the latest report now is it’s a 15%
fatality rate, which is more than SARS at 83%
infection rate. A typical gain of function travels
in the air so it could reach out maybe six feet or
more from someone emitting a sneeze or a cough.
Likewise, this is a specially designated WHO
research lab. The WHO was in on it and they knew
full well what was going on there.