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"Israel is not a democracy unless you are a
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The Israelis have this very beautiful article about freedom and
liberty but they want to destroy anyone who criticizes them for
revealing the truth to the world. The world must look and see
what kind of democracy Israel is when one speaks out the truth."
- Mordechai Vanunu
By Eileen Fleming
-- -- Israel's nuclear weapons whistleblower, Mordechai Vanunu's
current trial for speaking to the Media began January 25, 2006
the same day as the Palestinian elections and resumes Septemeber
In the 1980's Vanunu, a secular Jew held a low tech position in
the underground Dimona WMD Plant in the Negev. When Vanunu had a
crisis of conscience about being a cog in the making of WMD's he
obtained the keys to restricted areas that were left in the
shower room and then shot two rolls of film before resigning
from Dimona. He left the country but did not develop the film
until eight months later while in Sydney, Australia.
"After I left Israel I spent two days in a Moscow hotel
wondering if I should tell my story to the Red Army, I decided
to leave instead. The reason I had arrived there was that before
I left the Dimona I had checked out the Palestinian Communist
Party to see how the communists worked. I was curious and
wondered about once I left Israel, that maybe they would help
me. But when I witnessed the poverty and nothing but military
cars everywhere I decided to get out of there."
While in Sydney, Vanunu worked as a cab driver and began
attending the social justice St. John Cross Anglican Church
where he was baptized a Christian. Shortly thereafter, he met
Peter Hounam, a journalist for London's Sunday Times. After
Vanunu shared his story and photos, Peter flew Vanunu to London
for 'safe keeping' while he began to vet the story. This took
more days than Vanunu had patience to bear in solitude. Out of
boredom Vanunu ventured onto the streets of London and met an
American named Cindy. He had no clue she worked for the Mossad.
Before the London Times printed the story and photos, the London
Mirror, a tabloid printed Vanunu's photo along with their
version of the story without ever interviewing him. Fearing for
his life in London, and because Cindy offered him a safe haven
in Rome at her sisters home, Vanunu flew to Rome with Cindy.
Immediately upon entering the apartment, Vanunu was hit on the
head, drugged, bound and flung upon an Israeli cargo ship
heading home. The London Sunday Times broke their story just as
While being transported to his closed door trial, Vanunu had
been inspired to write on his palm; "HIJACKED" and the Rome
flight number he had been on.
After a closed dorr trial Vanunu spent the next 18 years in
jail, most of it in solitary. He was released in April 2004
under the Emergency Defense Regulations which were implemented
first by Britain against Palestinians and Jews after World War
II. The British Mandate has expired but the draconian
restrictions of the British Mandate's Emergency Defense
Regulations continue to hold Vanunu captive.
On May 14, 1948 The Declaration of the establishment of Israel
"One the day of the termination of the British mandate and on
the strength of the United Nations General Assembly declare The
State of Israel will be based on freedom, justice and peace as
envisaged by the prophets of Israel: it will ensure complete
equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants
irrespective of religion it will guarantee freedom of religion
[and] conscience and will be faithful to the Charter of the
When questioned regarding the British Mandate's expiration and
Israel's establishemt being contingent on adhering to the United
Nations Declaration of Human Rights which guarantees freedom of
speech and movement denied to him, Vanunu replied;
"The reason given is security but it is because Israel is not a
democracy unless you are a Jew."
After WW II, Attorney Yaccov Shapiro, who later became Israel's
Minister Of Justice, described the Emergency Defense Regulations
which denies Vanunu the of freedom of speech and movement as
"unparalleled in any civilized country: there were no such laws
in Nazi Germany."- [ N.S. Ateek, Justice And Only Justice p.34]
Vanunu stated, "This administration tells me I am not allowed to
speak to foreigners, the Media, and the world. But I do because
that is how I prove my true humanity to the world."
"Missing from Israel's security framing is the very fact of
occupation, which Israel both denies exists...and that
"security" requires Israel control over the entire
country...rendering impossible a just peace based on human
rights, international law, reconciliation." Jeff Halper,
"Obstacles to Peace" page 1.
Article 1 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights upholds
that: All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and
rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should
act towards one another in the spirit of brotherhood.
Vanunu responded, "When I decided to expose Israel's nuclear
weapons I acted out of conscience and to warn the world to
prevent a nuclear holocaust...The Israeli media demonized
me...they published many lies about me...and Israel kept me
totally isolated in prison for most of the 18 years...I am also
regarded as a traitor because I was baptized a Christian."
Article 18 of the UDHR affirms that: Everyone has the right to
freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes
freedom to change one's religion.
Vanunu informed me, "My Christian conversion was also considered
as treason and led to me receiving more time in jail than any
murderer has ever served. The Israelis have this very beautiful
article about freedom and liberty but they want to destroy
anyone who criticizes them for revealing the truth to the world.
The world must look and see what kind of democracy Israel is
when one speaks out the truth."
Article 13 of the UDHR upholds that: Everyone has the right to
freedom of movement. Vanunu and millions of Palestinians have
been denied this right under the British Emergency Mandate
Regulations and the concrete wall/electrified fence has been
repeatedly deemed illegal by the International Court of Justice.
Vanunu continued, "It's very sad that Hilary Clinton went to the
Jewish Wailing Wall and forgot the real crying wall is the
Palestinian wall...the apartheid wall... the wall is not for
defense, but to keep this conflict permanent...the people who
need the help are the Palestinian Christians. We need all
Christians to come and see the true facts on the ground...The
Dimona is 46 years old; reactors last 25 to 30 years. The Dimona
has never been inspected and Israel has never signed the Nuclear
Proliferation Treaty but all the Arab states have...Twenty years
ago when I worked there they only produced when the air was
blowing towards Jordan ten miles away. No one knows what is
happening now...The Israelis have 200 atomic weapons and they
accuse the Palestinians and Muslims of terrorism. The world
needs to wake up and see the real terrorism is the occupation
and the Palestinians have lived under that terror regime for 40
years...Israel propaganda portrays all Palestinians as Muslim
extremists and Hamas terrorists and neglect that Palestinian
Christians are following the true message of Jesus Christ with
nonviolent resistance. We need all Christians to come and see
the truth for themselves."
According to Fuad Farah, Board member of Sabeel and the Chairman
of the Orthodox National Council in Israel told this reporter
that, "Ninety percent of all Christians who visit Israel
Palestine never meet a Palestinian Christian."
Vanunu rejects the title prophet, but the similarities are
striking. The ancient prophets warned of danger and were mostly
ignored, ridiculed or jailed. The prophets also always offered
Vanunu concluded the interview, "My hope is that the pullouts
will continue in the West Bank and then they will bring down the
There can be no peace without justice. Justice requires that
every human being does indeed have what we call in America:
inalienable rights, meaning no government, no state can revoke
Although Israeli denies Vanunu many of these inalienable rights,
he continues to defy their restrictions in the spirit of Article
19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
Eileen Fleming, activist, author, reporter and editor for
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