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Frida Berrigan
is a Senior Research Associate with the
Arms Trade
Resource Center at the
World Policy Institute.
She is co-author of the report.
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AMY GOODMAN: One of the authors of the report joins
us now, Frida Berrigan. She’s Senior Research Associate with
the Arms Trade Resource Center at the World Policy
Institute. Welcome to Democracy Now!
FRIDA BERRIGAN: Thank you.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, tell us what are
the weapons being used? Did you also look at where the
weapons that Hezbollah is using comes from?
FRIDA BERRIGAN: Sure. Almost all of
the weapons used by Israel are from the United States. There
might be a couple French fighter planes that they’re using,
but its F-16s made in Fort Worth, Texas; its Apache
helicopters; its Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles; it’s all
from the United States. So you have this real disconnect
between an overemphasis on the supply by Iran and Syria of
Hezbollah's weapons and no discussion of the fact that all
of the Israeli arsenal is from the United States, and that
that is in contravention to U.S. law. to the Arms Export
Control Act, which says that U.S.-origin weapons are only to
be used for self-defense and for internal security.
JUAN GONZALEZ: And your report
indicates that Israel has always been the largest recipient
of military aid from the United States, but that that’s
actually increased since 2001?
FRIDA BERRIGAN: We’re looking at
incredible increases in U.S. military aid and weapons sales
to Israel. Military aid stands at about $3 billion a year.
That’s about $500 for every Israeli citizen that the United
States provides on an annual basis. And then, weapons sales,
most recently, since the Bush administration came into
power, we’re looking at $6.3 billion worth of weaponry sold
to Israel.
Israel's relationship with the United States
is unique in a number of ways. And one of those ways is that
essentially the United States provides 20% of the Israeli
military budget on an annual basis, and then about 70% of
that money that is given from the United States, from U.S.
taxpayers, to Israel is then spent on weapons from Lockheed
Martin and Boeing and Raytheon. Most other countries don't
have that sort of cash relationship, where they go straight
to U.S. corporations with U.S. money to buy weapons that are
then used in the Occupied Territories and against Lebanon.
AMY GOODMAN: What kind of leverage
does the U.S. money, the U.S. aid for Israel provide?
FRIDA BERRIGAN: Well, when you’re
talking about 20% of the Israeli military budget, you’re
talking about a huge fulcrum of leverage, right? The United
States could today say, you know, “This incursion into
Lebanon, the killing of civilians, the bombing in Gaza, all
of this is not internal security, all of this is not
self-defense, and we’re cutting it off.” And they could cut
it off tomorrow. And that would essentially not only send an
incredibly strong message to the Israeli military, but it
would remove the tools of the occupation, the tools of the
bloodshed and the suffering that’s happening in Lebanon and
in Gaza.
It was interesting to sort of place the very
weak statements that have come from the administration --
“Oh, there should be” -- you know, they have said things,
like “They should practice restraint,” and stuff like that.
Meanwhile, just on the 14th, the United States decided to
sell $120 million worth of jet fuel to the Israeli military.
The little notice that announced the sale from the Defense
Security Cooperation Agency said, “This fuel will be used to
promote peace and security in the region.” And then,
meanwhile, you have jets strafing villages, bombing
civilians, taking out bridges, destroying water treatment
plants. So the United States could decide and would have a
very strong case and a historic precedent for deciding to
cut military aid.
AMY GOODMAN: What’s the precedent?
FRIDA BERRIGAN: In 1981, the last
time there was a full-on invasion by the Israeli government
into Lebanon, the Reagan administration cut military aid and
froze weapons sales to Israel, while it did an investigation
of whether or not the weapons were being used for
self-defensive and internal security purposes. So for ten
weeks in 1981, nothing went into Israel. Now, at the end of
that ten weeks, they said, “Oh, well, you could argue ’til
eternity about what constitutes defensive use of weapons.”
But under the Reagan administration, while Alexander Hague
was the Secretary of State, we did cut off weapons sales and
military aid. And we certainly haven't done that since. And
when we look at how the conflict and the war continues to
unfold with so many civilians being killed and this bare use
of force and power by the Israeli military, it seems like
it’s time to explore that option again.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, one of the
things that’s gotten a lot of attention in recent days have
been the missiles fired by Hezbollah into Israel. But I see
by your report that to some degree the Hezbollah missiles
might also almost be seen as a self-defense measure, because
you have here a thousand Redeye missiles that Israel has,
surface-to-air missiles, 400 Stinger man-portable air
defense missiles, 444 Harpoon missiles. So Israel has quite
an extensive missile arsenal of its own.
FRIDA BERRIGAN: Right, we’re talking
about one of the strongest militaries in the world going up
against basically the defenseless Lebanese, and then a, you
know, not very well armed Hezbollah. There was an article in
the newspaper yesterday that quoted Israeli defense
officials, who said, “Maybe 900 Hezbollah missiles have hit
Israeli territory.” That’s 900 missiles, and probably 30
Israeli civilians have been killed. So they’re obviously not
very effective weapons. They do get weapons from Syria, from
Iran. They manufacture their own weapons. But --
AMY GOODMAN: You’re talking about the
New York Times quoting the Fajr-3 from Syria?
FRIDA BERRIGAN: Right, yeah. There
was an article in the Times, I think on Monday, about
Iranian missiles being used by Hezbollah, and they pulled
Syria in, too, because Syria was producing an Iranian model
missile and then had transferred it to Hezbollah. So, but
the missiles haven't been very effective, and they can’t --
the range is between 30 and 45 miles.
AMY GOODMAN: You talk about, Frida
Berrigan, the U.S. government supporting the Israeli
government and military. But this kind of weapons
relationship also is a great boon to the U.S. weapons
manufacturers. Can you talk about the relationship the U.S.
has with these weapons manufacturers and name them?
FRIDA BERRIGAN: Sure. Well, the
largest weapons manufacturer in this country is Lockheed
Martin. It’s based in Texas. And it manufactures the F-16
fighter plane, all manner of missiles. It manufactures the
C-130, which is a huge transport plane. It’s the biggest
weapons manufacturer in the world.
Lockheed Martin and the Israeli military
recently went into business together, co-producing a version
of the F-16 fighter plane called the Sufa, which means
“storm” in Hebrew. It’s built partially outside of Tel Aviv,
and then the final work is done in Ft. Worth, Texas. It’s a
$4 billion deal with the Israeli military. For the first
time, an Israeli military company is contributing in its
manufacturing the avionics of the plane. So there’s this --
it’s almost this supranational relationship between Lockheed
Martin and the Israeli defense industry. It’s a kind of
relationship that weapons corporations in this country would
like to see with other countries, where they work directly
with -- they sort of transcend government and work directly
with the manufacturers of weapons in other countries.
Another major corporation -- you mentioned
the missiles -- is Raytheon, which is based in
Massachusetts. They manufacture the Tomahawk missile, the
Sidewinder, a number of other high-tech missiles that Israel
has in its arsenal. These missiles have very sophisticated
targeting components -- heat-seeking, they’re interfaced
with GPS for very targeted attacks.
Boeing is another major corporation. They
manufacture all sorts of planes: the F-18 fighter plane, the
F-14. So you have maybe ten weapons corporations in this
country that have a stake in -- essentially in Israel using
its military arsenal so that it can be replenished again.
And the great thing about this relationship with Israel is,
Israel doesn’t have to pay for it itself. It comes directly
from U.S. taxpayers in the form of foreign military
financing, which is transferred to Israel, and then turns
right back around and goes to Lockheed Martin or Raytheon.
JUAN GONZALEZ: And as we can see by
the votes in Congress this week, both in the House and
Senate, supporting the current military actions of Israel,
there doesn't seem to be much opposition in Congress to this
kind of a continued arms support from the United States for
Israel.
FRIDA BERRIGAN: Right, yeah. You have
complete silence, and worse than silence from the U.S.
Congress. So there's got to be some way to go around
Congress and hold the defense corporations, these military
corporations, directly responsible for what their hardware
and software is doing in Lebanon and Gaza.
AMY GOODMAN: Frida Berrigan, I want
to thank you for being with us, of the World Policy
Institute, just out with its report.
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